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moonmoonthegreat
I disagree that the kid deserved it and will always do so, this is part of a larger patchwork of a problem in America. Kids get no EXTRA sympathy but that's fucked up, I hope they investigate the cops who did this. This rash of cops who act like bratty remorseless kids who think they're special and above the law with their power tripping bullshit need to be investigated for disproportionate responses based on the color of the victim.
Words like "thug" and "criminal" are familiar dog-whistle words that juuuust teeter the fence of acceptability to what people really want to say, and I won't sit idly by while stormfront type talk trickles into the edges of sites that I enjoy.
Re: Kyd points fake gun at people; pays with his life December 28, 2014 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 2,308 |
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moonmoonthegreat
I disagree that the kid deserved it and will always do so, this is part of a larger patchwork of a problem in America. Kids get no EXTRA sympathy but that's fucked up, I hope they investigate the cops who did this. This rash of cops who act like bratty remorseless kids who think they're special and above the law with their power tripping bullshit need to be investigated for disproportionate responses based on the color of the victim.
Words like "thug" and "criminal" are familiar dog-whistle words that juuuust teeter the fence of acceptability to what people really want to say, and I won't sit idly by while stormfront type talk trickles into the edges of sites that I enjoy.
Re: Kyd points fake gun at people; pays with his life December 29, 2014 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 7,149 |
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paragon schnitzophonic
How about Mark Wahlberg? "Thug" and "savage" are the perfect adjectives for somebody who has committed numerous unprovoked violent hate crimes. No apologies, no restitution, and he wants his conviction pardoned so he can franchise his shitty restaurant in California.
But all I've seen are people making excuses for him, saying it was a long time ago and he's done his time (except not. He got released after 90 days).
Re: Kyd points fake gun at people; pays with his life December 29, 2014 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 7,760 |
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StudioFiftyFour
I'm curious though... why would Wahlberg need his convictions pardoned simply to open a restaurant? Clearly with his capital he wouldn't need to be applying for a bank loan.
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paragon schnitzophonic
How about Mark Wahlberg? "Thug" and "savage" are the perfect adjectives for somebody who has committed numerous unprovoked violent hate crimes. No apologies, no restitution, and he wants his conviction pardoned so he can franchise his shitty restaurant in California.
But all I've seen are people making excuses for him, saying it was a long time ago and he's done his time (except not. He got released after 90 days).
Criminal acts aren't excused or mitigated simply by pointing to other criminal acts.
If Wahlberg has committed these crimes, then yes, he should be charged, prosecuted, and convicted.
The justice system of course is imperfect, and a guy like Wahlberg can afford a defense team that the average person cannot. But I've got no tolerance for violent behavior from any person, regardless of their color.
I'm curious though... why would Wahlberg need his convictions pardoned simply to open a restaurant? Clearly with his capital he wouldn't need to be applying for a bank loan.
Re: Kyd points fake gun at people; pays with his life December 30, 2014 | Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 73 |
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paragon schnitzophonic
How about Mark Wahlberg? "Thug" and "savage" are the perfect adjectives for somebody who has committed numerous unprovoked violent hate crimes. No apologies, no restitution, and he wants his conviction pardoned so he can franchise his shitty restaurant in California.
But all I've seen are people making excuses for him, saying it was a long time ago and he's done his time (except not. He got released after 90 days).
The justice system of course is imperfect, and a guy like Wahlberg can afford a defense team that the average person cannot. But I've got no tolerance for violent behavior from any person, regardless of their color.
Re: Kyd points fake gun at people; pays with his life December 30, 2014 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 12,437 |
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The issue here is that since the general climate regarding race in America is that regardless of what a black (or brown) person does, it is considered violent or at the very least disreputable. If it was a white boy flinging a gun around, this would not have not been an issue. I 100% guarantee it. Hell, look at the ferguson case and the "I can't breathe" incident, two innocent people dead because of this, and now a third (unless he actually pointed the gun at the officer because then he was just flirting with death).
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catharsist
The issue here is that since the general climate regarding race in America is that regardless of what a black (or brown) person does, it is considered violent or at the very least disreputable. If it was a white boy flinging a gun around, this would not have not been an issue. I 100% guarantee it. Hell, look at the ferguson case and the "I can't breathe" incident, two innocent people dead because of this, and now a third (unless he actually pointed the gun at the officer because then he was just flirting with death).
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KitsNotKids
I feel the need to apologise now and I feel totally terrible. When this story first aired I was going purely on what was said in the article. I realise now it was totally erroneous and I feel like a cunt for blaming the child that was murdered. I really did assume it transpired the way the article said.
I'm sorry.
Re: Kyd points fake gun at people; pays with his life December 30, 2014 | Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 464 |
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KitsNotKids
I feel the need to apologise now and I feel totally terrible. When this story first aired I was going purely on what was said in the article. I realise now it was totally erroneous and I feel like a cunt for blaming the child that was murdered. I really did assume it transpired the way the article said.
I'm sorry.
Re: Kyd points fake gun at people; pays with his life December 30, 2014 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 2,308 |
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rudeawakening
Police brutality is a problem, but it's not the whole problem. We have a large segment of he population that was literally enslaved for centuries, beaten down by racist policies afterward, and by and large still doesn't have access to the resources that white people have. As a result we have millions of black citizens who are poor, undereducated, and resort to criminal behavior as a means of survival. This, I think, is the underlying issue.
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StudioFiftyFour
Poverty is where the problem exists.
Those resources you're talking about aren't accessible only to whites, they're accessible to anyone that has a little bit of capital. If we put racism aside just for a moment, aren't poor whites in just as bad a spot as poor blacks? And there are more poor whites, simply because of sheer numbers.
Again I forget who posted it in another thread, but basically, being poor sucks. It's very limiting. And I'll also add that geography can help or hurt you. Being poor in Detroit sucks... but at least there is some mass transit, and perhaps some menial job opportunities. Being poor in East Nowhere, Arkansas where there's no mass transit, very little commerce, and the next town is 100 miles away... that sucks on an even greater level.
The underlying issue as I see it, is unfettered reproduction of poor people. Getting yourself, or others, knocked up at a young age is a surefire pathway to continued poverty, and a lifetime of struggling and perhaps resorting to crime, as you mentioned.
Re: Kyd points fake gun at people; pays with his life December 30, 2014 | Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 2,430 |
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StudioFiftyFour
Poverty is where the problem exists.
Those resources you're talking about aren't accessible only to whites, they're accessible to anyone that has a little bit of capital. If we put racism aside just for a moment, aren't poor whites in just as bad a spot as poor blacks? And there are more poor whites, simply because of sheer numbers.
Again I forget who posted it in another thread, but basically, being poor sucks. It's very limiting. And I'll also add that geography can help or hurt you. Being poor in Detroit sucks... but at least there is some mass transit, and perhaps some menial job opportunities. Being poor in East Nowhere, Arkansas where there's no mass transit, very little commerce, and the next town is 100 miles away... that sucks on an even greater level.
The underlying issue as I see it, is unfettered reproduction of poor people. Getting yourself, or others, knocked up at a young age is a surefire pathway to continued poverty, and a lifetime of struggling and perhaps resorting to crime, as you mentioned.
I agree with you that socioeconomic status is a HUGE part of it, though I'd probably wager that a poor black person is still worse off than a white person in the same situation.
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