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the noodler
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 09, 2016
This is a terrible time to be a Christian.

Suncard, are you drinking all the communion wine or what?
Try being a mild-mannered atheist and get ready for the wind of shit to hit you.
Seriously, you need to take your "box" and go home.
BTW, I don't believe in .000000001 % of ANYTHING that is written in the Buy-Bull.
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suncard
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 09, 2016
You're a senior member here, so I'll do as you ask. But I thought I made it clear I'm only here because I hate stupid parents, too, and I think they're lending a hand in destroying society. I mentioned my own two bits last, because someone seemed curious. I clearly should not have. I apologize. It's not easy to say those things because your response is what comes next, even though I tried very hard to appease you in any way I could, so you'd know I didn't mean it the way you're taking it. I want nothing to do with the idiots who "hit you with a wind of shit"- I tried to tell you, they greatly annoy me, too. I put up with them, too, you know, that's part of what I meant. I didn't mean to say only *I* had a hard time.

Anyway, I apologize again. ...I thought it would interest the community if they knew that there were types like me, I guess, that thought, "No, it's not a good idea to have kids right now. Look the hell around! Stop being dumb!!"
That's all. I know the rest doesn't belong here. It was my mistake.
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StudioFiftyFour
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 09, 2016
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the noodler
This is a terrible time to be a Christian.

Suncard, are you drinking all the communion wine or what?
Try being a mild-mannered atheist and get ready for the wind of shit to hit you.
Seriously, you need to take your "box" and go home.
BTW, I don't believe in .000000001 % of ANYTHING that is written in the Buy-Bull.



It is possible for more than one group of people to be mistreated at any given time. I've got no skin in this particular game, but I will say that the last time I checked, neither atheists nor Christians had the market cornered on mistreatment.
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the noodler
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 09, 2016
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the noodler
This is a terrible time to be a Christian.

Suncard, are you drinking all the communion wine or what?
Try being a mild-mannered atheist and get ready for the wind of shit to hit you.
Seriously, you need to take your "box" and go home.
BTW, I don't believe in .000000001 % of ANYTHING that is written in the Buy-Bull.



It is possible for more than one group of people to be mistreated at any given time. I've got no skin in this particular game, but I will say that the last time I checked, neither atheists nor Christians had the market cornered on mistreatment.

If you notice in the original quote it was suncard that bolded that phrase. If it wasn't for noticing that bolded part I would have just TLDR the entire drivelous post.
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mrs. chinaski
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 21, 2016
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/robots-will-make-majority-of-humans-unemployed-within-30-years-a6872486.html

Sings are getting stronger:
"The pace at which robots and intelligent machines are able to take over the jobs traditionally performed by humans will result in more than half the population being unemployed within 30 years, an expert in computing has predicted.

While some may look forward to a life of leisure, many others face the dismal prospect of long-term unemployment as a result of the rise of smart machines, from self-driving cars and intelligent drones to smart financial-trading machines, said Moshe Vardi, professor of computational engineering at Rice University in Houston, Texas."
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StudioFiftyFour
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 21, 2016
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mrs. chinaski
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/robots-will-make-majority-of-humans-unemployed-within-30-years-a6872486.html

Sings are getting stronger:
"The pace at which robots and intelligent machines are able to take over the jobs traditionally performed by humans will result in more than half the population being unemployed within 30 years, an expert in computing has predicted.

While some may look forward to a life of leisure, many others face the dismal prospect of long-term unemployment as a result of the rise of smart machines, from self-driving cars and intelligent drones to smart financial-trading machines, said Moshe Vardi, professor of computational engineering at Rice University in Houston, Texas."



There is no life of leisure awaiting. Most people draw some sort of satisfaction or at least identity from work. This notion of unemployed people using their time to learn another language, reading Shakespeare, or mastering the cello is a myth being perpetuated by the techno narcissists. Long-term unemployed people, generally, spend an inordinate amount of time watching television and dealing with depression. Some slip into a pattern of using what money they have left on drinking and drugs.

This belief that the masses are all of a sudden going to spend their time in art museums and waxing philosophical is pure bunk. For lack of a better term, the future is going to be a clusterfuck dystopia. The first wave of unemployment will be initiated by automated vehicles. Any profession that is connected to driving a car (taxicab drivers, delivery drivers, long haul truckers, Uber, and many, many others) will be out of a job.

There are a lot of blue collar folks that want to work, and work for a livable wage. Automation, AI, robots... this is the worst thing that can happen to them. I am not a Luddite but the next wave of tech will net very bad returns and unexpected consequences for actual human beings.
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cassia
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February 21, 2016
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StudioFiftyFour
There is no life of leisure awaiting. Most people draw some sort of satisfaction or at least identity from work. This notion of unemployed people using their time to learn another language, reading Shakespeare, or mastering the cello is a myth being perpetuated by the techno narcissists. Long-term unemployed people, generally, spend an inordinate amount of time watching television and dealing with depression. Some slip into a pattern of using what money they have left on drinking and drugs.

This belief that the masses are all of a sudden going to spend their time in art museums and waxing philosophical is pure bunk. For lack of a better term, the future is going to be a clusterfuck dystopia. The first wave of unemployment will be initiated by automated vehicles. Any profession that is connected to driving a car (taxicab drivers, delivery drivers, long haul truckers, Uber, and many, many others) will be out of a job.

There are a lot of blue collar folks that want to work, and work for a livable wage. Automation, AI, robots... this is the worst thing that can happen to them. I am not a Luddite but the next wave of tech will net very bad returns and unexpected consequences for actual human beings.

Most of the people that I know from age 45 and older, including myself were thrust into unemployment of some sort in the last decade (or more).
Some people retired early by choice or by force of a specific employer or the marketplace.
Others were affected by illness or disability.
A few found good fortune through a financial windfall of some sort or another.

In all cases, these people found some peace and enjoyment of their non-employed status.
Low income people had to make more adjustments to have a settled life.
None are in desperate circumstances and all are pursuing their own interests of art, leisure, assisting social causes, learning languages and music instruments, travelling and other personal pursuits with pleasure.
None are depressed nor despondent.

I am sure there are some people who are depressed and despondent in the above circumstance but in my region we have good social programs and the people I know are educated and curious people eager to explore, trying and learning new things most of the time.

Recently, I have observed that people often create an entirely self-created fiction of the meaning of events in their lives.
They let that 'story' determine the meaning and reaction to the event when there are multiple other 'stories' of what any particular event or circumstance could mean and how the person could react to it.
People are their own worst enemies in many situations.
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StudioFiftyFour
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February 21, 2016
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In all cases, these people found some peace and enjoyment of their non-employed status.
Low income people had to make more adjustments to have a settled life.
None are in desperate circumstances and all are pursuing their own interests of art, leisure, assisting social causes, learning languages and music instruments, travelling and other personal pursuits with pleasure.
None are depressed nor despondent.




There will always be outliers. This will not be the case when 1/3 of the workforce is unemployed. This was not the case in Youngstown, Ohio, when the steel mills closed.

Where will these people get money for food when their unemployment benefits run out and their savings is exhausted? Rent? Home heating?

I believe you are speaking of workers who were at or near retirement age and had some kind of a nest egg. What about the blue collar worker at age 25?

I believe the social fabric will be torn apart if this kind of unemployment comes to pass. Massive numbers of people out of work is not a good thing, and your average blue collar Joe is far more likely to turn to drinking, drugs, and making unwanted babies than he will learning a foreign language or reading Vonnegut.
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cassia
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February 21, 2016
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cassia

In all cases, these people found some peace and enjoyment of their non-employed status.
Low income people had to make more adjustments to have a settled life.
None are in desperate circumstances and all are pursuing their own interests of art, leisure, assisting social causes, learning languages and music instruments, travelling and other personal pursuits with pleasure.
None are depressed nor despondent.




There will always be outliers. This will not be the case when 1/3 of the workforce is unemployed. This was not the case in Youngstown, Ohio, when the steel mills closed.

Where will these people get money for food when their unemployment benefits run out and their savings is exhausted? Rent? Home heating?

I believe you are speaking of workers who were at or near retirement age and had some kind of a nest egg. What about the blue collar worker at age 25?

I believe the social fabric will be torn apart if this kind of unemployment comes to pass. Massive numbers of people out of work is not a good thing, and your average blue collar Joe is far more likely to turn to drinking, drugs, and making unwanted babies than he will learning a foreign language or reading Vonnegut.

I was still revising that post and was just about add in a number of younger people that I know who were also shoved into situations of unemployment, including some long-term or permanent.

They are also at peace and pursuing their own interests as the older folks.
I can give specific case histories, if wanted.

I think that a few key differences that reflect on our differing points of view might be:
- I live in Canada with a long history of formal social justice and support programs for the unemployed, ill or disabled.
- all of the people that I am talking about have years of post secondary education and very established attitudes of independence and curiosity.
- they have always pursued interests such as musical instruments, social justice, art and languages, so just continued similar pursuits when they had more free time.
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cfdavep
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 21, 2016
The unions got rid of the self check out at the Shop Rite grocery here in NY. Hannaford has them. It is easy to steal with the self check out also, so that is part of it.
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StudioFiftyFour
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 21, 2016
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cassia

I was still revising that post and was just about add in a number of younger people that I know who were also shoved into situations of unemployment, including some long-term or permanent.

They are also at peace and pursuing their own interests as the older folks.
I can give specific case histories, if wanted.

I think that a few key differences that reflect on our differing points of view might be:
- I live in Canada with a long history of formal social justice and support programs for the unemployed, ill or disabled.
- all of the people that I am talking about have years of post secondary education and very established attitudes of independence and curiosity.
- they have always pursued interests such as musical instruments, social justice, art and languages, so just continued similar pursuits when they had more free time.

Cassia,

I like Canada a lot. I've been there several times and what a great combination of food, culture, and good people. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Montreal. The only downside is the frigid nature of winter there, but other than that, what a great place. In the interest of full disclosure, as a libertarian and fiscal conservative, I'd never want to live in a quasi-socialistic place like Canada but as far as the people go, they are a great bunch.

Without touching on "social justice" (which in the US means wealth redistribution, a hatred for fiscal responsibility, "tolerance" except for those who aren't far-left liberals, and all of it combined with pronatalism), I am curious where the money is going to come from in order to keep your social safety nets afloat? This goes not only for Canada but for any other nation with extensive social safety nets. In the US the mantra from the left seems to be "... just tax the rich!" Well, "the rich" are paying more than the lion's share of taxes to begin with. "The rich" also have the means to set up offshore bank accounts, particularly in the Caribbean where they pay little or no tax. Ordinary people who earn a decent income do not have the same access to lawyers and accountants that the super-rich do. And so, invariably, the tax burden falls upon these people.

What should the tax rate be for someone who earns, let's say $100,000 USD? Right now when you add the federal income tax, state income tax, property tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, and all other taxes... this is roughly about 50% of his/her income.

In order to establish or continue ultra-generous benefits for unemployment, what should the overall tax be? 60%? 70%? 80%?

That kind of draconian taxation doesn't motivate me to even get out of bed in the morning. Do me a favor and let Uncle Sam know that he can just direct deposit my unemployment check to my bank account, as I will be sleeping in and spending the day watching Gilligan's Island reruns.

I think my attitude reflects human nature pretty accurately. So where will the money come from?

Oh... and remember, we're going to be at 10.5 billion people by mid-century. Please explain to me how this isn't going to result in a clusterfuck dystopia?
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freya
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February 21, 2016
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StudioFiftyFour

Without touching on "social justice" (which in the US means wealth redistribution, a hatred for fiscal responsibility, "tolerance" except for those who aren't far-left liberals, and all of it combined with pronatalism), I am curious where the money is going to come from in order to keep your social safety nets afloat? This goes not only for Canada but for any other nation with extensive social safety nets. In the US the mantra from the left seems to be "... just tax the rich!" Well, "the rich" are paying more than the lion's share of taxes to begin with. "The rich" also have the means to set up offshore bank accounts, particularly in the Caribbean where they pay little or no tax. Ordinary people who earn a decent income do not have the same access to lawyers and accountants that the super-rich do. And so, invariably, the tax burden falls upon these people.

What should the tax rate be for someone who earns, let's say $100,000 USD? Right now when you add the federal income tax, state income tax, property tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, and all other taxes... this is roughly about 50% of his/her income.

In order to establish or continue ultra-generous benefits for unemployment, what should the overall tax be? 60%? 70%? 80%?

That kind of draconian taxation doesn't motivate me to even get out of bed in the morning. Do me a favor and let Uncle Sam know that he can just direct deposit my unemployment check to my bank account, as I will be sleeping in and spending the day watching Gilligan's Island reruns.

I think my attitude reflects human nature pretty accurately. So where will the money come from?

Oh... and remember, we're going to be at 10.5 billion people by mid-century. Please explain to me how this isn't going to result in a clusterfuck dystopia?

It has already started. The truth is most people (think I've heard 84%) believe themselves middle class and politicians feed on this.
Migration has already resulted in a change for who is part of the middle class and who is considered rich. I wouldn't put a single person earning $78,000 in the same category as a single person earning $250,000, a million or more per year. If I had to guess I'd say the singles making $78,000 to $250,000 probably pay the highest taxes in the country unless they own their own businesses because they don't have the same resources at their disposal as wealthy people do:
http://bangordailynews.com/2015/12/13/the-point/if-youre-in-the-middle-class-youre-no-longer-part-of-the-majority/

When you hear politicians bleating on about the middle class the overwhelming majority of that group are famblees. Note a famblee of three can make $124,000 and still be considered middle class whereas a single person is considered rich at $78,000.
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mr. neptune
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 21, 2016
Well there is a glimmer of hope. Besides all the wipe ass and picking up after Pampers jobs, we did save GM which makes the Cavalier/Cobalt/Cruze or whatever it is now - the official car of miserable divorced single moms with too many kids.
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cassia
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 21, 2016
I do not have any expertise in taxation.

I very much like that if Canadian citizens become unemployed, injured, ill, disabled or elderly, that person does not loose everything we own and become homeless.
I also prefer that social justice, including medical care, basic needs and reasonable rights are a priority for our citizens.
Such benefits such as unemployment, medical care, housing and basic support needs are not by any means "ultra-generous" in Canada, but we do not reduce people to begging and homelessness either.
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Techie
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February 21, 2016
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Hate to say it, but this could mean that whatever worker rights there are now won't be honored in the future, when you have 600 people applying for every available job out there. Companies won't have any incentive to follow labor rights, including maternity leave, when they can just hire a man and not have to deal with the situation. Jobs are already being outsourced to low wage countries, even many medical diagonistics are being done by an Indian guy over the internet. What makes women think they're so special that they deserve paid maternity leave? There is no shortsge of labor now, and it's only going to get worse.

You are looking at it from a very educated and sophisticated way. It's way simpler than that. Our government picks winners and losers. Some jobs will never be touched. Some groups will always be protected. Even in Great Depression era there were mansions that were being built. There were rich who were getting richer. There were politicians and other groups of people who were unaffected.
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mrs. chinaski
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 22, 2016
@ Techie:
"Some jobs will never be touched."
-> I agree.

Even during WW2, there were people who lived very comfortably - f.e. politicians,
officials, notaries, doctors with their own practice, big farmers..

@ cassia: I would say that the background plays a big role.
When someone comes from a poor family he probably won't be
having any interesting hobbies or education.
I think of some trailer park colony or housing block where everyone is
on social welfare, depressed and with addiction issues.

The welfare state with programms is a factor too as it can "save" some of those less fortunate.
The question if the welfare states will survive what's coming.

Here is an article about being poor in the US.
I think it's a pretty good description of living in poverty.
http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/the-only-show-on-television-that-honestly-understands-what-its-like-to-be-sht-poor-in-america.php
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StudioFiftyFour
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February 22, 2016
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cassia
I do not have any expertise in taxation.

I very much like that if Canadian citizens become unemployed, injured, ill, disabled or elderly, that person does not loose everything we own and become homeless.
I also prefer that social justice, including medical care, basic needs and reasonable rights are a priority for our citizens.
Such benefits such as unemployment, medical care, housing and basic support needs are not by any means "ultra-generous" in Canada, but we do not reduce people to begging and homelessness either.


You don't have to have any expertise in taxation. But I am curious as to your answers to this question...

-What is the taxation threshold in which you lose motivation to keep going to work? 60%, 70%, 80%, more than 80%? At what point do you say, "Fuck it, I'm not going to work. I'd rather stay home and collect unemployment benefits."

And by asking this, I am trying to get at the answer for you, personally, not society at large. No philosophical waxing, no "social justice" platitudes. At what point do you tell the boss that you're better off sitting on your butt collecting unemployment rather than coming into work and surrendering x% of your income to the tax man?
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yurble
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February 22, 2016
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StudioFiftyFour
And by asking this, I am trying to get at the answer for you, personally, not society at large. No philosophical waxing, no "social justice" platitudes. At what point do you tell the boss that you're better off sitting on your butt collecting unemployment rather than coming into work and surrendering x% of your income to the tax man?

I've gone up to 40% and I do not mind, provided that the safety net is also available to me and efforts are made to curb abuse.
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Peace
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February 22, 2016
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cassia

I was still revising that post and was just about add in a number of younger people that I know who were also shoved into situations of unemployment, including some long-term or permanent.

They are also at peace and pursuing their own interests as the older folks.
I can give specific case histories, if wanted.

I think that a few key differences that reflect on our differing points of view might be:
- I live in Canada with a long history of formal social justice and support programs for the unemployed, ill or disabled.
- all of the people that I am talking about have years of post secondary education and very established attitudes of independence and curiosity.
- they have always pursued interests such as musical instruments, social justice, art and languages, so just continued similar pursuits when they had more free time.

Cassia,

I like Canada a lot. I've been there several times and what a great combination of food, culture, and good people. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Montreal. The only downside is the frigid nature of winter there, but other than that, what a great place. In the interest of full disclosure, as a libertarian and fiscal conservative, I'd never want to live in a quasi-socialistic place like Canada but as far as the people go, they are a great bunch.


Everybody...sing with me! smiling smiley
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StudioFiftyFour
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February 22, 2016
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I've gone up to 40% and I do not mind, provided that the safety net is also available to me and efforts are made to curb abuse.




Let's presume that not just you, but everyone is okay with paying a 40% income tax, and that unemployment is well below 10% in your country.

What happens when unemployment accounts for 1/3 of the able-to-work population? How much are you willing to pay? How much will all of society be willing to pay? How many will "drop out" of the workforce and collect unemployment benefits, because after taxes it no longer makes any sense to work for a wage?

What kind of impact will all of this have on the greater fabric of society?
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thom_c
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February 22, 2016
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cassia

I was still revising that post and was just about add in a number of younger people that I know who were also shoved into situations of unemployment, including some long-term or permanent.

They are also at peace and pursuing their own interests as the older folks.
I can give specific case histories, if wanted.

I think that a few key differences that reflect on our differing points of view might be:
- I live in Canada with a long history of formal social justice and support programs for the unemployed, ill or disabled.
- all of the people that I am talking about have years of post secondary education and very established attitudes of independence and curiosity.
- they have always pursued interests such as musical instruments, social justice, art and languages, so just continued similar pursuits when they had more free time.

Cassia,

I like Canada a lot. I've been there several times and what a great combination of food, culture, and good people. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Montreal. The only downside is the frigid nature of winter there, but other than that, what a great place. In the interest of full disclosure, as a libertarian and fiscal conservative, I'd never want to live in a quasi-socialistic place like Canada but as far as the people go, they are a great bunch.


Everybody...sing with me! smiling smiley



The flip side - they're serious, I'm trollin'

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Peace
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February 22, 2016
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cassia

I was still revising that post and was just about add in a number of younger people that I know who were also shoved into situations of unemployment, including some long-term or permanent.

They are also at peace and pursuing their own interests as the older folks.
I can give specific case histories, if wanted.

I think that a few key differences that reflect on our differing points of view might be:
- I live in Canada with a long history of formal social justice and support programs for the unemployed, ill or disabled.
- all of the people that I am talking about have years of post secondary education and very established attitudes of independence and curiosity.
- they have always pursued interests such as musical instruments, social justice, art and languages, so just continued similar pursuits when they had more free time.

Cassia,

I like Canada a lot. I've been there several times and what a great combination of food, culture, and good people. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Montreal. The only downside is the frigid nature of winter there, but other than that, what a great place. In the interest of full disclosure, as a libertarian and fiscal conservative, I'd never want to live in a quasi-socialistic place like Canada but as far as the people go, they are a great bunch.


Everybody...sing with me! smiling smiley



The flip side - they're serious, I'm trollin'


grinning smiley


Don't fuck with a Canuck...trollin fever smiling smiley
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mrs. chinaski
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 23, 2016
Still to the topic:
http://in.reuters.com/article/india-haryana-jat-protests-delhi-idINKCN0VU07Y
http://in.reuters.com/article/india-haryana-jat-protests-delhi-idINKCN0VU07Y
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/jat-quota-protest-fire-singes-haryana-shoot-at-sight-orders-curfew-in-place/story-sG551ePK2I6WdNqHW38ZAP.html

Riots in Haryana (India) due to quota -
Jat caste demands guaranteed access to governmental jobs and university education.

So far:

- 19 dead, 170 injured in protests
- shops were burned, road and rail links blocked, and water supplies to metropolitan Delhi were cut
- The central government deployed 4,000 troops and 5,000 paramilitaries
- The army was deployed in eight districts of Haryana with curfew and shoot-at-sight orders imposed in two of them

"Rioting and looting in Haryana by the Jats, a rural caste, is symptomatic of increasingly fierce competition for government jobs and educational openings in India, whose growing population is set to overtake China's within a decade."
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Techie
Re: 600 million jobs needed confused smiley
February 23, 2016
@mrs. Chinaski: I am yet to see one single place with very high population density where quality of life is good. And places where population density is normal, that is changing too, whether by irresponsible breeding or unchecked immigration.
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StudioFiftyFour
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February 23, 2016
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Still to the topic:
http://in.reuters.com/article/india-haryana-jat-protests-delhi-idINKCN0VU07Y
http://in.reuters.com/article/india-haryana-jat-protests-delhi-idINKCN0VU07Y
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/jat-quota-protest-fire-singes-haryana-shoot-at-sight-orders-curfew-in-place/story-sG551ePK2I6WdNqHW38ZAP.html

Riots in Haryana (India) due to quota -
Jat caste demands guaranteed access to governmental jobs and university education.

So far:

- 19 dead, 170 injured in protests
- shops were burned, road and rail links blocked, and water supplies to metropolitan Delhi were cut
- The central government deployed 4,000 troops and 5,000 paramilitaries
- The army was deployed in eight districts of Haryana with curfew and shoot-at-sight orders imposed in two of them

"Rioting and looting in Haryana by the Jats, a rural caste, is symptomatic of increasingly fierce competition for government jobs and educational openings in India, whose growing population is set to overtake China's within a decade."


So you're telling me that despite all of their newfound "free time," the masses chose to riot instead of learning a new language, playing the pan flute, or waxing philosophical??? Shocking. winking smiley
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