Re: Have Yourself Spayed or Neutered, Fucking Breeders October 10, 2011 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 4,176 |
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I've never seen an animal deliberately torture another animal for a prolonged period of time, or kill other animals en masse.
I've seen this happen with untrained dogs and animals they see as prey. They will kill everything they can.
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As for torture, haven't you seen a cat play with a mouse?
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What about chickens picking on each other? In every coop there's one hen missing most of the feathers on her back because the others peck at her...
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Given an opportunity and lack of natural controls, any species will overfill its ecosystem, killing other species in the process.
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I don't think humans are exceptional in our cruelty
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I find it hard to believe in the inherent kindness of nature or animals. A documentary of lions which shows them eating a gazelle without even killing it first tells me that kindness is not the norm.
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Worst of all are breeders who give up animals because they shat a loaf, and The Precious Baybee Snowflake's needs come first. Breeders like that are the most inhuman, self-centered monsters on earth. And yes, there really are monsters living among us.
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Re: Have Yourself Spayed or Neutered, Fucking Breeders October 17, 2011 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 12,440 |
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kidlesskim
My mother has never had a desire to have pets or share her home with animals, in OR outdoor pets, and her only explanation to me over the years has been, "I just don't want to", much like her pat(and teary eyed, wounded look) answer as to why she is a Christian is, "I don't know! I just have faith!!" So, other than my mother, I have never known anyone who had no desire for a pet well enough to ask them why. If anyone cared to explain to me why they have no desire for a pet, beyond pets aren't allowed where they live or serious allergies, I'd appreciate it if they might explain their reasons. I am genuinely curious and don't mean to sound judgmental because obviously it's not really any of my business and doesn't affect me personally if someone doesn't desire a pet of any kind. It's just not something I can imagine for myself, that's all.
yurble, I'd like to hear from you because I know that if you don't mind sharing about it that you'd give a pretty damned good and easy to understand answer for your feelings on the subject. If not, that's okay because I am just being nosy anyway.
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I find it hard to believe in the inherent kindness of nature or animals. A documentary of lions which shows them eating a gazelle without even killing it first tells me that kindness is not the norm.
I don't think animals are inherently kind. I also don't think, like humans, that they are evil - and I say evil specifically BECAUSE humans have the capacity to rise above acting like they don't know the difference.
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I agree animals are cruel and nature is cruel. On QI a couple of weeks ago they showed a clip of this tree spore that sends ants mad and makes them climb up these trees when they normally don't. Then the tree sends a shoot into the ant's brain and makes more spores, basically sucking the ant dry in the process, not unlike a vampire.
Re: Have Yourself Spayed or Neutered, Fucking Breeders October 18, 2011 | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 12,440 |
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Animals may well act ammorally, but only humans can be immoral. In my opinion, that's so much worse. And animals will usually learn to be kind if they're treated with kindness, depending on the animal. Humans often exploit the kindness of other humans.
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Animals may well act ammorally, but only humans can be immoral. In my opinion, that's so much worse. And animals will usually learn to be kind if they're treated with kindness, depending on the animal. Humans often exploit the kindness of other humans.
I think we're saying the same thing here, just in different ways. I agree with this statement.
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yurble
I just don't have a romantic view of either humans or other animals.
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I just don't have a romantic view of either humans or other animals.
I was curious about this as well.
Your answer makes plenty of sense.
It's different for me because of my experiences.
I grew up being picked on by cruel humans and so I turned to my pets which didn't hurt or scar me mentally like people did over the years.
This is why I'm misanthropic.
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hankyou yurble!
Your answer contains the clue that is very likely the reason my mother feels the same way that you do! She grew up on a farm too and from what I can tell she absolutely HATED it. Her lifestyle since I have known her is as far away from rural, farming, and anything related to it that can be imagined. I think her friends and acquaintances would be shocked to learn she lived on a farm in a rural area until she was 16 years of age. For whatever reason that's a part of her life she rarely talks about, but she likely grew up with that same point of view due to the circumstances of farm life. At least now I have a clue as to her reasoning and for the life of me I don't understand why she just didn't tell me that, but maybe she really isn't aware of it herself.
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hankyou yurble!
Your answer contains the clue that is very likely the reason my mother feels the same way that you do! She grew up on a farm too and from what I can tell she absolutely HATED it. Her lifestyle since I have known her is as far away from rural, farming, and anything related to it that can be imagined. I think her friends and acquaintances would be shocked to learn she lived on a farm in a rural area until she was 16 years of age. For whatever reason that's a part of her life she rarely talks about, but she likely grew up with that same point of view due to the circumstances of farm life. At least now I have a clue as to her reasoning and for the life of me I don't understand why she just didn't tell me that, but maybe she really isn't aware of it herself.
It's not the most common view in developed countries at this time (in the past, when more people lived in rural areas, it was more common, and it's more common in developing countries), so some people might not want to mention holding an unpopular view. Also, many people aren't prone to introspection and don't think about the roots of their views, they just hold them. Perhaps it is one of those reasons.
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I absolutely despise breeders who use animals like fucking toys.
My brother and his...wife(?) have had more animals than they can count. At first, they got a black lab puppy just a month before she became pregnant, who they classily named "Meatball". They lived in a very small townhouse with a very small backyard, and since my SIL was pregnant, she just COULDN'T walk the puppy. So, the dog turned out to be a maniac. He chewed everything, went to the bathroom EVERYWHERE, and had no boundaries. My brother is a Marine, and was out in the field for days at a time, so he mostly got the dog as a "trophy" of sorts while my SIL had to deal with it. Of course, she never tried training him, though. They just chalked it up as being a "bad dog". So, instead of training this dog, they fucking got a chihuahua. This dog was a mess, too. She also was not house-broken, even though they got her a "bathroom mat" so my SIL didn't even have to get out of the house to house-break her. Of course, the black Labrador dug a hole in their backyard under the fence, so the chihuahua got out and was hit by a car. They tried keeping her (without getting surgery for her legs, which made her have to walk sideways) but ended up giving the un-housebroken, crippled DOG (not puppy anymore) away back to the store. After the baby was born, they also gave away the horrible Labrador dog after they fucked him up and nobody would want him since he was no longer a puppy.
Move ahead a few months (after a couple months of them having a divorce scare) and they "babysit" a friends dog for around a month. The dog randomly bit people, but was pretty relaxed. The dog being fucked up wasn't their fault this time. Then they got two kittens (for their baybee) which they kept for, like, two weeks. I don't know how they fucked them over, so meh. The next animal they decided to get was a one-year-old black lab mix. Now, this dog was mostly fucked up because of his former owner, but they did NO help. They kept the poor thing in a cage almost the entire time. So one day when the dog was out of his cage, he tore up their bathroom. My SIL was/is pregnant AGAIN, so she called us up and dumped their mistake onto us. This dog could NOT be chained up outside due to excessive barking. Not only that, but he always jumped on people. I have a giant scar that he gave me on my arm because of that habit that could have easily of been broken in a week. Of course, this dog wasn't house-broken either. After they all lived with us for about a month, they gave him away shortly before moving across country.
Now, the thing that pisses me off about how much these guys bounced around from animal to animal was their treatment of them. My SIL would constantly pull at the dogs ears, and was shocked when that didn't do anything when she did it when they actually misbehaved. My brother worked, so everytime he came home and heard of the dog misbehaving, he would give the dog a swift kick on the side, no matter what it was doing at the time. As if it fucking knew what it was being punished for. At one point, the dog fell down the stairs. My little sister informed me that it wasn't an accident, and that my brother kicked him down. Of course, I argued with them about this. Afterwards, I learned that it wasn't true, and that it was just an accident. However, during the argument, my SIL said "if you think that kicking him down the stairs is abuse, you should see what I do to him". They never walked their dogs unless it was with the baybee, kept them in cages for most of the day, and either didn't discipline them or took it way too far in a stupid manner. Instead of training their dogs, they sat on their asses and watched "Jersey Shore".
And these fuckers have KIDS. Who will probably end up being serial killers by watching their dumbass parents abuse their pets.
Now, I love my brother and SIL to death. However, loving somebody doesn't mean you have to think they AREN'T total idiots.
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