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gymrat
I think they'll find this guy's remains once the snow melts. Jus tfrom looking at his pics, hearing him described, and seeing what he's done with his life so far leads one to believe that he isn't smart enough to forge a new life for himself, complete with a new, fake identity. I still think he went home with a hooker, got rolled, murdered, and dumped somewhere.

Hmm...true. However, even if he's a dumbass he could certainly take off to another state using his own identity and it would be awahile before the cops could track it down. He might not be so stupid as to use his credit cards, even a half retarded monkey knows not to do that.

If he's dumb and alive, the cops will find him sooner rather than later. They can't make him come back though.

Latest article:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/01/family_friends_continue_to_sea.html

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He missed Christmas, New Year's and his oldest son's fourth birthday. But friends and family continue to search and pray that Matthew McConnell-Hegland will return home. The 29-year-old St. Johns resident was last seen Dec. 22.

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Gilkey described him as "a pretty intellectual guy." She said he loves to read and often stops at coffee shops to write after working his day job at Standard Insurance. He loves theology and has attended both Red Sea and Emmaus churches. Most of all, she said, he is a fun-loving dad.

"Part of what has made this so surprising for all of us is how much he loves his kids," she said. "To think about him not being here for his son's birthday just blows our minds."

Ricci McConnell-Hegland is a stay-at-home mom and is working to figure out a way to financially support the family, Gilkey said.

So, he works at an insurance company? Interesting.

I've noticed that any semi-recent stories don't have anything new from law enforcement. I can't help but think that means they haven't uncovered anything new, and thus they've reached a dead-end on the trail for this guy.

They all talk about how he loves his kids. It's entirely possible for him to love those kids, even love his wife, but hate the lifestyle & want to escape it.

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"Ricci McConnell-Hegland is a stay-at-home mom and is working to figure out a way to financially support the family"

I wonder if she's considered getting a, y'know, JOB? :bdid

But that would require leaving the house and, y'know, WORKING.

I too noticed there's nothing from the cops. I take it to mean they didn't find receipts for condoms in his office desk and online profiles for "Funtime Matt" and "Party Matt" on swinger sites.

I'd like to speculate a bit:


Generally, when there's a publicized missing person's case, especially when the police have said it's possible he has had a mental problem of any type, they(the police) generally continue to search, follow up, and get quoted in the news as to the progress of the ongoing case every single day. I don't see much of anything coming from the police since before New Year's Eve. I think they no longer consider him "missing" and/or endangered and have simply stopped looking OR they have some reliable clues as to his where abouts, the family knows this, and everyone but the Moo is willing to accept that he left of his own volition. She's a lot more likely to get donations from the public as long as this great father is "missing" than she would if he had just walked away. Then, most people would be saying, "Have him arrested and forced to pay child support!" and other sentiments of that nature.

Now, WHY the police don't come out and say he is no longer considered "missing" is a mystery in and of itself, but it could be that they don't have concrete evidence as to his where abouts and they'd rather just stay out of it. I mean, WHO wants to tell this bleating Moo to her face, "Look Porky, your man finally grew tired of looking at your fat ass, kissing your cheddar cheese grill, and of towing the line financially while you do nothing but pile more kids on for him to support".

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Interesting also that he "loves" theology and goes to two different churches. A lot of these fundie guys - scratch the surface and you find all sorts of pervy activities: porn sites, hookers, etc.

I bet the moo is more upset that she'll have to get a job.

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Interesting also that he "loves" theology and goes to two different churches. A lot of these fundie guys - scratch the surface and you find all sorts of pervy activities: porn sites, hookers, etc.

Yep. Which was one of the reasons I was expecting the Party Funtime stuff to turn up on his computer(s), since this case is such a close parallel to Alex Martin.

Oh, what I wouldn't give for Anonymous to hack my former pastor's PC. I'd pay money to see what twisted shit he has on it.

As for moo, she's gonna go flat broke just paying for childcare. One of the brats is a foster. I wonder if she'll have to give it to some other famblee?

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/125986-police-expand-search-for-missing-father


Here's an update from 3 hours ago that basically says the same thing, only now they are saying he actually made it inside to the friend's apartment from the taxi cab and was last seen asleep on the couch. Apparently, the police are still looking and have expanded their search.

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http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/125981-body-found-floating-in-johnson-creek


On Saturday, that same news paper reported this story. It says the unidentified body is a man in his 30's. It makes me wonder if they recently expanded their search because they felt bad this body is probably the missing duh and they are trying to save face with the public. I can't imagine the police thought anything was involved other than he left of his own volition. If this turns out to be the missing guy, then it could appear they hadn't searched enough and THIS would explain why the sudden rekindling of the "search".

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http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/125981-body-found-floating-in-johnson-creek

Oh Lordy. I hope they're able to identify cause of death. I am sure they'll identify the floater.

The reason they didn't say if it was him and are still expanding their search is because the floater is as of now unidentified. Cops won't speculate in the media, generally.

Good eye, kidlesskim.

A KATU poster says the famblee was informed that the floater is not the missing duh, which seems funny since the body hasn't been identified yet, has it?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-Body-found-floating-in-Johnson-Creek-185757611.html

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A KATU poster says the famblee was informed that the floater is not the missing duh, which seems funny since the body hasn't been identified yet, has it?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-Body-found-floating-in-Johnson-Creek-185757611.html

Note how they don't know if it's a man or a woman. How difficult could it be to ascertain the gender of the floater?

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Note how they don't know if it's a man or a woman. How difficult could it be to ascertain the gender of the floater?

It probably depends on how hungry the fish were in the area where he was floating.

The fact that he did make it into the friend's house and was seen asleep on the couch, makes it seem much more likely to me that this was a voluntary leave on his part.

If he had not made it to the friend's -- as it seems we were unsure of initially -- then I could see a million bad things that could have happened -- drunk and stumbled into a creek, abducted, robbed and murdered, went home with a sketchy hooker, etc.

But, he made it safely inside a residence.

I mean, I suppose that he could have left the residence after the friend went to sleep, but that seems unlikely.

So, I'd have to say that unless the friend killed him, he probably walked away on his own.

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Note how they don't know if it's a man or a woman. How difficult could it be to ascertain the gender of the floater?

It probably depends on how hungry the fish were in the area where he was floating.

Still though, he is six feet tall and has a prominent tattoo. IF it's NOT the missing duh, they should have been able to figure that out at least by now as it's been over a day since the body was discovered.

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The fact that he did make it into the friend's house and was seen asleep on the couch, makes it seem much more likely to me that this was a voluntary leave on his part.

If he had not made it to the friend's -- as it seems we were unsure of initially -- then I could see a million bad things that could have happened -- drunk and stumbled into a creek, abducted, robbed and murdered, went home with a sketchy hooker, etc.

But, he made it safely inside a residence.

I mean, I suppose that he could have left the residence after the friend went to sleep, but that seems unlikely.

So, I'd have to say that unless the friend killed him, he probably walked away on his own.

Now, I am leaning towards one of his "friends" killed him and it was likely over a woman NOT his stay at home cheddar cheese grilled Moo..

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Now, I am leaning towards one of his "friends" killed him and it was likely over a woman NOT his stay at home cheddar cheese grilled Moo..

I'm beginning to wonder the same, but not sure it *isn't* over the Moo. I crept her Myspace..... Moo looks/acts like she will get with any guy that pays attention to her (or offers her food and/or semen). Perhaps her wallet found out she was sleeping around, confronted the dude, and got whacked. The trouble is finding TWO guys that would actually sleep with this beast. I stand by my original theory that this moo was intended to be a drunken one nighter that deliberately got knocked up to trap the guy.

I don't get it. This guy looks relatively normal, and she is just so disgusting. Aside from being obese, she is just plain trashy looking, and the TEETH....god, the teeth. SMH.

The alternative is that he flung himself off a bridge to avoid having to ever kiss her cheddar mouth again lol. Maybe she should put a plea on facebook...... "I promise to brush my teeth daily, if you promise to reappear and pay child support!"

Current theories:

1. Left Moo for someone he met online
2. Left Moo for a dude and is embarrassed
3. Texted hooker after he got to friends house. Left, got trickrolled and whacked.
4. Got in fight with friend, whacked by friend
5. Got drunk, cut off own penis to avoid having more brats, bled out in bushes
6. Jumped off bridge to avoid seeing cheddarmouth again
7. Joined circus

Looking at the pics, its easy to see why he would have left her.

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A KATU poster says the famblee was informed that the floater is not the missing duh, which seems funny since the body hasn't been identified yet, has it?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-Body-found-floating-in-Johnson-Creek-185757611.html

Note how they don't know if it's a man or a woman. How difficult could it be to ascertain the gender of the floater?

let's just say SOFT TISSUE rots, or is eaten by fish before the rest.

Depends on the time the body was under water. If this is him and he went under the night of the disappearance then by this time putrefaction would take place. When enough gasses build up then the body will bob back up to the surface. It will be bloated and distended enough to make even sex recognition difficult. Tattoos make be warped beyond recognition.

Scavengers and predators may also have found the corpse first. DNA testing is often delayed due to limited resources.

For a good read on this sort of thing I recommend Stiff by Mary Roach http://www.maryroach.net/stiff.html

One of the most fascinating books I've ever read.

How we Die, Reflections on Life's Final Chapter By Steward Nuland is another interesting read:
http://www.amazon.com/How-We-Die-Reflections-Chapter/dp/0679742441

As for the police being reticent, conjecture sans a very high standard of proof is counterproductive. Most Emergency Services Public Information Officers go by instructions from the FEMA 290 course Basic Public Information Officer (believe it or not I hold this cert for my volunteer work). That course is very direct in saying that guessing or putting anything out there you may later have to retract is not best practice. It is better to say we are not sure, we do not have verification, than to imply it may be him. As for the poster on the TV website - they may be making the conjecture and if the Police PIO is on top of this a correction should be forthcoming. Good PIO's are news gatherers not just faces for the tube.

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Expanding search could mean grilling the friends. Initial reports say he never made it to the friend's couch, now they say he did. So where would he be?

As for fostering, that is more money, dependent on their situation (disabilities, etc):

Child's Age 0-5 Years
Level I $423.68
Level II $601.61
Level III $947.19
Level IV $1,225.98

Not to mention the tax writeoffs.

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I want to pick up a bus full of unruly kids and feed them gummi bears and crack, then turn them loose in Hobby Lobby to ransack the place. They will all be wearing T shirts that say "You Could Have Prevented This."

In my area, foster families are so desperately needed that CYS actually puts lucrative ads in the paper. The families get $20,000 per kid. I know of some families that have five or six foster kids! They clothe these kids in rags, feed them as cheaply as possible, and use the money to remodel their homes and buy new vehicles. CYS looks the other way, because they are so desperate for a roof over the kids' heads. I knew of a girl in the foster care system who got a chunk of money when her bio-dad kicked the bucket. The foster family decided that, in addition to the $20,000 they already got to let her live in their unheated basement, that she should pay them RENT out of her inheritance. Luckily, one of her teachers ( a friend of mine) intervened and took her in until she turned 18. The teacher helped her to invest her inheritance in a CD, where it would be safe until she was old enough to handle it wisely.

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A KATU poster says the famblee was informed that the floater is not the missing duh, which seems funny since the body hasn't been identified yet, has it?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-Body-found-floating-in-Johnson-Creek-185757611.html

Note how they don't know if it's a man or a woman. How difficult could it be to ascertain the gender of the floater?

let's just say SOFT TISSUE rots, or is eaten by fish before the rest.

Depends on the time the body was under water. If this is him and he went under the night of the disappearance then by this time putrefaction would take place. When enough gasses build up then the body will bob back up to the surface. It will be bloated and distended enough to make even sex recognition difficult. Tattoos make be warped beyond recognition.

Scavengers and predators may also have found the corpse first. DNA testing is often delayed due to limited resources.

For a good read on this sort of thing I recommend Stiff by Mary Roach http://www.maryroach.net/stiff.html

One of the most fascinating books I've ever read.

How we Die, Reflections on Life's Final Chapter By Steward Nuland is another interesting read:
http://www.amazon.com/How-We-Die-Reflections-Chapter/dp/0679742441

As for the police being reticent, conjecture sans a very high standard of proof is counterproductive. Most Emergency Services Public Information Officers go by instructions from the FEMA 290 course Basic Public Information Officer (believe it or not I hold this cert for my volunteer work). That course is very direct in saying that guessing or putting anything out there you may later have to retract is not best practice. It is better to say we are not sure, we do not have verification, than to imply it may be him. As for the poster on the TV website - they may be making the conjecture and if the Police PIO is on top of this a correction should be forthcoming. Good PIO's are news gatherers not just faces for the tube.

Thanks for explaining that Thom as I have often wondered why it seemed like Public Information Officers were reading and reacting from the same text book with their verbiage, evasiveness, and seemingly "pat" answers that basically don't tell the public anything concrete. While I understand WHY they do that, it's annoying as hell ESPECIALLY when the designated spokesperson is a terrible liar and even worse public speaker. They often come across as if they DO know, but it's a big secret and they have information only the police are privy to. The, "We can't comment on an ongoing investigation", "Such and such can't be ruled out yet", the whole line of "person of interest" lingo, and, "Such and such can not be confirmed at this time" are among the most spouted and annoying to me. I'd rather they say, "Look, we are not releasing ANY INFORMATION at all, period, until we know for sure and have evidence to back it up,mkay?"

Instead though, they gradually release bits and pieces much of which HAD to have already been verifiable, like with this business of WHERE he was last seen. I fail to see how saying he was last actually seen on the friend's couch could hinder the investigation in any way, for example. They do that same shit at hospitals too if you've had a loved one taken there after an accident. I'll NEVER forget the police officer who allegedly was present at an accident my sister was involved in coming to my parent's house, telling them she was in an accident, taken to the hospital by ambulance, but he would NOT say if she was even dead or alive and NEITHER would the hospital! That was the LONGEST hour of our lives because when we got there they STILL wouldn't speak with us and we had to wait on the almighty doctor who took his precious time to FINALLY come to the fucking waiting room!

It turned out she had some superficial facial injuries and no one was seriously injured or killed, ruling out the possibility of identity of deceased or severely injured victims being the reason behind their wall of secrecy. That shit STILL pisses me off to this day and it happened three decades ago. WHY can't they tell you if your loved one is OBVIOUSLY "okay" instead of allowing the family to think the worst and suffer?

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Well, the autopsy on the river floater was yesterday. So how long between the autopsy and the PIO statement about who the floater is...guess they have to notify the fam first.

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Well, the autopsy on the river floater was yesterday. So how long between the autopsy and the PIO statement about who the floater is...guess they have to notify the fam first.

That is the usual procedure. The other issue is the autopsy may not have confirmed the ID. They may also be waiting on toxicology results. Another delay may be if there is suspicion of foul play. If they suspect he was murdered rather than just a victim of his own actions information will be withheld till more evidence is gathered and they are ready to make an arrest. They won't want to tip their hand to the killers.

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