2637 Fugly (flotsamblog.com)

We are laughing at you, and I am also watching a documentary about the Titanic.

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"I have learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everyone off is easy and fun as hell"

:eatu

I feel sorry for your kid, TrollMoo, that he or she has such a shitty mom as you obviously seem to be. You've shown so much *class* to come over here with YOUR venom. YOU seem to be the one who is filled with rage about your own life choices.

Well if she gets IVF she can do the same thing -- while draining exponentially more money than even a lifetime's worth of disability from hard-working folks to pay for her creepy-looking preemie's medical expenses, and she'll get to write a blog and have lots of Divine Bovine friends bleating and mooing about what a hero she is! Poofy, if you decide to go for it, you'd better be sure to get the '101 Over-used Cliches Every Hip-Moo Needs to Know Handbook' so you'll be sure to fit right in!

At the risk of stooping to her level, I feel overwhelmingly compelled to mention that I think TrollMoo is a miserable, saggy-titted, dried up old skag, whose cavernous windsock of a vagina probably gives her husband all the pleasure of a king-sized fitted sheet.

Enjoy your endless years of thankless drudgery, TrollMoo...live the dream.

I'm not in any rush to get rid of you -- like I said, I don't have a problem with differing opinions as long as they're not being forced on me. And we all get a little long-winded sometimes, so don't worry about post length.

The way I see it, your friend chose to pump her uninhabitable womb full of chemicals in an effort to force it to defy nature's clear intent -- with full knowledge of the 'inherent risks' of such endeavors. And, yes, I do think the kid is ugly, but I still think it's terribly sad that she's being forced to suffer for what seems to be purely selfish reasons, and I don't think there's anything about *your friend's* situation (not the kid's) that's heroic, admirable or worthy of sympathy. So even though I didn't actually call your friend a 'cunt', I can't say that I disagree with the sentiment.

And I suppose I could phrase things in a 'gentler' way, but I just don't see how it'd really make all that much difference with a topic like this -- I'd still be saying the same disagreeable thing, just in prettier words. But it seems to me (and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong) that what you call being 'nicey-nice' isn't just a matter of having more tact, but of not being disagreeable at all so as not to step on any toes by expressing opinions that may cause drama.

But even if we did use all nice words, what 'results' do you think we'd actually get in this particular matter? The only way to end the child's suffering would be to let it die peacefully -- and I can't even imagine how anybody would begin to convince your friend to do that. This thread wasn't created with the intent of getting results, it was made so we could express our opinion about what the kid's being put through and, yes, how she looks.

And while I do agree with you that by not taking steps to prevent referrals, some members are putting this site on other people's radar -- I don't think that gives people a pass to come a-trollin', no matter how offensive they find our words to be. On the other site, some things that would never be considered 'gentle' were said about us -- but none of our members have taken it as an invitation to troll, because we generally do try to 'confine our vitriol' to this site and keep it between our members. The other site's members should do the same.

Your friend being led back to this site was a result of carelessness, not malice. Not that it matters.

(Sorry if this gets double-posted)

There is a software thing in place to prevent things from being posted twice.

Can't wait for the trolls to show up on my blog.

So troll moo, sinking down to the commonest form of wit, (that was sarcasm if you, dont understand it), so all british people have bad teeth, i am afraid that is actually a racist comment.

And this is a person who thinks they are better, than me than the childfree. I may type differently to you, because i use different rules to you.

You are not the grammar police. Why should i make it easy for you. Perhaps you cant see beyond your pathetic little life. And that you focus on the irrelevant.

(and btw it was 11pm at night, so people do get tired, you idiot) of course this is preaching to someone who is firstly a racist, secondly, for someone who comes and trolls OUR site, when we complain you are trolling, then its our fault for not worshipping at the alter of moohood.

What a good lesson to teach your children, all british people have bad teeth, what about oh i dont know, about all irish are stupid, or other racist comments.

Your attitude is I am better than anyone else, everyone should worship me.

quite frankly, i have heard this kind of racist comment about british people, for so many years. That its not even worth getting bothered about because it just shows you that you are a racist idiot. If you think you can upset me. you cant.

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I just post the stories, for interest.. for everyone

Lord, what fools these mortals be!
- A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, Scene ii

Voltaire said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

H.L.Mencken wrote:"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

BINGO!!!!!!

Sorry Sammy baby, we've heard that one before and it's old. Really, really old. And no, it doesn't hurt our feelings. You'll have to do better next time.


sam Wrote:
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> Thank god none of you have found anyone to breed
> with. The world is a much better place without
> your evil, psychotic genes multiplying.

ANOTHER BINGO! Wow, my card is filling up quickly. How 'bout the rest of you???

I see low-IQ TrollMoo is really original today with her worn-out old bingoes, too. Get a life Trolls and stay on the mommy blogs where you belong.

This is a RANT board NOT a discussion board. If you don't like it, tough shit. Don't come here and ream us out over shit you have no business getting involved in. Shouldn't you be off doing TMIJITW?


TrollMoo Wrote:
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> > It's so obvious you have all suffered some kind of
> unspeakable damage in your lives. Was Daddy a
> little too affectionate? Maybe Mommy liked her
> booze more than she liked you? Too bad your
> parents didn't remain childless. But hey, just
> because you guys have had a rotten life (and don't
> you dare tell me you didn't! I won't buy it!)
> doesn't mean that others won't value theirs and do
> whatever it takes to save the lives of their loved
> ones.

A superior moo. Isn't that kind-of an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp???

TrollMoo Wrote:
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> You guys crack me up! No really, reading your
> rants gives me a huge dose of superiority.

mercurior Wrote:
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> What a good lesson to teach your children, all
> british people have bad teeth, what about oh i
> dont know, about all irish are stupid, or other
> racist comments.


No, that's wrong; it's "All Polish people are stupid" (which is me; I'm of Polish descent). Get your stereotypes straight!

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"I have learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everyone off is easy and fun as hell"

:eatu

Athena, I am going to attempt to answer your questions about the childfree. I used to be a member here whenn I first found this board as a fencesitter (someone not sure of whether to have kids or not), so I feel I am somewhat qualified to reply to your query.

How do I feel about my own mother? Hmm. As the youngest of four, she kind of got tired of playing mommy. But she was a great PARENT. She did not allow me to run nilly willy at all hours of the night and set up boundaries. The fact that I am here and not in some shark's gut off the coast of Aruba is a testament to the old addage of "spare the rod spoil the child". Thanks Mom!

How do I feel about others who choose to have children? I have no problem at all with it, as long as I don't have to directly fund their LIFESTYLE decision to be parents. I love my friend's kids and my friends appreciate the fact that I have taken a few moments to THINK before my dh and I bring a life into the world we may not be able to afford.

And there's the rub.... People don't think before having kids. They don't think about the costs of childcare or how having the wife (if it's a wife and not just a "babymama") being a SAHM means that, OH NO, they might have to scale back on luxuries for a while until the child is in school and mom can go back to work if it is difficult on her DH's (or babydaddy if you will)salary.

I don't hate kids, but I love my husband. We ARE a family. Of two. And I know that we do NOT have the resources to have children. Neither the money nor the ability to have a trusted family member watch them. So we have decided to forego the kodak moments and savor the things we can do WITHOUT kids.

But you know just WHY we're pissed? We have made a decision to not bite off more than we can chew, but WE are the ones that have to subsidize other's decisions to HAVE IT ALL!

My husband and I pay approximately 43 dollars per pay period to cover medical insurance for a Husband and Wife plan. You know what a PARENT (that's parent singular, not parents plural) with CHILDREN (again, children plural, not child singular) pays?

$1.83

Now, you tell me, how the fuck is THAT fair?

Oh, and BTW, we are planning a snip for next year, and everyone at my DH's job knows our stance on kids, and guess what they say?

"You're smart. Kids are a lot of work with very little payoff, if any at all" (this coming from one co-worker who's 15 y/o son has taken to polishing off the scotch in the locked liquor cabinet).

So, yea, I'm comfortable with my decision. Now, I'm tired of paying for everyone's else LIFESTYLE DECISION to have kids and be "parents".

Does that make it a little clearer for you, I hope? (no snark intended there)

According to the blog, that baby has been through bouts of suffocation before (to the point where her mom now considers it to be 'old hat') -- so I do think it'd be more humane to just let it end than to keep putting her through that kind of thing over and over and over again.

And, yes, I do know that lots of IVF babies are born healthy -- but it's certainly not because of anything the mothers have done, it's just luck of the draw. By choosing to do IVF, every single one of those women is making a conscious decision to gamble on their child's quality of life. They KNOW that their child will have a significantly higher than normal chance of being fucked up, but they do it anyway because for them, their dream isn't just to have a child -- if that were the case, they could adopt and get the same experience -- they want to have a baby with their own genes, and experience carrying it in their own bodies, no matter the cost to the child. In my opinion, that is the height of selfishness.

The only truly 'humane' option would have been to not risk this kind of thing happening in the first place -- but for some people, considering the plight their child might end up facing falls to the wayside when it comes to what THEY want.

"By choosing to do IVF, every single one of those women is making a conscious decision to gamble on their child's quality of life."


What is this comment based on? I am curious where the risk to a baby is greater if they are conceived via IVF vs. another method...

Amnesia--Here's an answer to your question via WebMD:

"IVF does carry major risks, which include premature birth, low birth weight, stillbirth, spontaneous abortion, preeclampsia, placenta previa, and, to a lesser extent, birth defects and cerebral palsy.

What is responsible for these poor outcomes? To find out, Alastair G. Sutcliffe, MD, of the Institute of Child Health at the University College London, and Michael Ludwig, MD, of the Center for Hormonal and Metabolic Illnesses in Hamburg, Germany, analyzed 30 years of data on IVF.

The main finding: Most IVF risks are due to multiple births, and not to the IVF procedure itself. Twins, triplets, and other multiple-birth children are at much higher risk of premature or low birth weight than are singleton children. And premature birth and low birth weight are linked to a host of health risks."

Thank you for the information.

"Most IVF risks are due to multiple births, and not to the IVF procedure itself." - this makes sense.

That little blurb doesn't help your cause much, as the IVF procedure increases the chances of a multiple birth -- so, in effect, the procedure itself IS the cause.

But there have been several other studies that provide more information -- do a Google search (you did one to find this site, right?) you'll find several legitimate sources that verify that kids conceived via fertility treatments have a higher chance of having birth defects and assorted problems than kids conceived naturally.

Yes, Stephanie, I do know how to do a Google search. What I had asked, and was answered (thank you Peppertree) was which studies / information you were basing your IVF comments on. There are always studies to support a cause - either for or against - so without knowing which ones are being referred to specifically, I am in the dark. Does that make sense?

Stephanie wrote:
**According to the blog, that baby has been through bouts of suffocation before (to the point where her mom now considers it to be 'old hat') -- so I do think it'd be more humane to just let it end than to keep putting her through that kind of thing over and over and over again.**

Well put. I feel very sorry for this baby. I can't imagine the pain and discomfort that she must feel, but I'm sure suffocation isn't old hat to her. I just don't get why someone would spend so much time posting pictures online of this poor baby's pain. So many parents use their kids as tools for a number of reasons: to get attention, get a spouse, alienate an ex-spouse, focus on someone other than oneself because self-examination is too painful, etc. It seems that quite a few childfree people care way more about children than some parents. Do you think that because you had sex and reproduced your DNA that it makes you *better* in some way? What a joke. Dogs have done this. It's not that special. I understand that having a baby is a cause for celebration for those who choose to have kids. BUT why make it the end-all, be-all? And as for BS about 'Well, I hope you never reproduce, use 3 forms of BC.' Some people here HAVE had vastecomies and tubals, but I'm sure that blows your mind, doesn't it?

And here are the same old typical responses about the childfree, that we all hate children and had awful parents. The childfree come from all walks of life. Some like children. Some don't. I know we've had folks here posting who are teachers and work with kids. I'm great with kids. They seem to seek me out. Now I don't LOOVe kids; but I sure don't hate them either. I'm more wary of people who go out of their way to profess how much they love children.

If you guys are so secure in your life choices, why are you on this forum? Why aren't you paying more attention to your children?